The Effects of being shot by a .50-cal
 

*** WARNING *** viewer discretion is advised - contains explicit violence.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v4465197bMdPzx6?confirm ed=1

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<o:p>This footage is of Canadian Snipers shooting terrorists in Afghanistan with a .50-cal rifle with a range just a little over 1-mile !!!</o:p>
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<o:p>(let's try this again......without politics please)</o:p>

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Very dramatic. 100% fake, but very dramatic none the less.

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Why / how is it fake ? .......are you suggesting photo-chopped but in video ?

I spoke with a sniper instructor at a gun range who referrenced me to the above video. Hardly think it's fake......

Have you seen what a .50 cal does to targets ?!?

:rolleyes_m:

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Living next to a Canadian military base for the last 30 years ... yes, I have. And I know for a fact that bodies don't go flying off into the air as demonstrated by the first shot on that footage. I have, however, seen very similar footage attributed to a few people using them against prairie dogs.
http://www.dogbegone.com/

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Something does seem odd about that. It's like they are not shooting at humans but some kind of props or something. But then again, I've never shot anyone with a 50 caliber

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Those are some pretty cool vid clips.......however, it destroys the 'meat' :D

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here is a better fifty cal vid

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v696659XcWCypzA?confirmed=1

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I challenge you on that one.........so you're saying you've seen a human being shot in front of your own eyes with a .50-cal and the target didn't fly up in the air 10+ feet or so ?!?

Checkout the ballistics and this is on a 'standard round' :

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 border=1><TBODY><TR><TH class=rc>Muzzle Velocity</TH><TD>2,800 fps (853 mps)</TD></TR><TR><TH class=rc>Muzzle Energy</TH><TD>11,500 foot-pounds (15,582 J)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/i...ifle/M107.html

My 44-cal revolver will knock a full grown man on his butt with 1-shot and my muzzle energy is only about 1100 ft lbs.

We're talking about a 'whopping' 11,500 ft lbs. or 10x that of a .44-Magnum !!!!!!!

Good grief - of course a human could fly up in the air. :banghead:

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Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. I've seen a 50lbs sandbag get knocked over. It didn't fly. It also contained the round. A human body couldn't contain the energy required to loft it into the air. You'd get penetration (say it with me now: Pen - E - Tration), not a flying corpse.

You claim a mile range. Yet the target is indistinct ... and the debris cloud is visible.

Conversation over. If you want to delude yourself in the face of the obvious, knock yourself out. I'll leave everyone else to view both videos and make their own decisions.

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Ok, I'm with you on the penetration but in the first part of the clip, the target is lying down..........if the round enters the shoulder/chest area and exits around the buttocks then we're talking about 2-3ft. of body mass - hence the 'flying'

You can have this one.......I do not know the exact distance - just going by what the sniper intructor told me.

Nope.......we're just getting started and I'm just warming up with this debate.........I'm not deluding myself but seeking to learn.

We'll see what the other GIM'ers think as well......the jury is still out on this one,
Professor.

:bear_tongue:

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Much easier on the eyes! :bear_w00t:

:haha:

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I say the video is faked. Never seen or heard of anything warm-blooded hit with a high power round that did not explode or at least fragment on impact. See prarie dog videos.

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The video in itself is not fake. However those are not humans being shot nor are they shooting .50. Those are small mammals being blown away by .223 or .17 caliber rifles.

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That's what I meant...not people...not a fifty

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Myth. There is no such thing as knockdown power.

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Any volunteers?

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That video doesn't prove much to me..........I didn't see the ammo used or know what grain, powder, etc.

You do know that you can take any .44 Magnum and load it with a slow .44 special round called a 'cowboy load'........

1100 ft lbs ? .......nope ~ try about 300 tops and a glancing blow at that with the angle he used. :thumpdown

My video is a curiosity as well, because nobody can confirm what happened and what rifle / cal was used.......50-cal is the 'claim' and we can argue this to infinity.

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The video is absolutely legit. No special loads, no tricks. Its Richard Davis the designer of Second Chance Bodyarmor. He has shot himself literally hundreds of times testing his product. Yes, theres even a video on the web, from a discovery or history channel special not too long ago, of him taking a 44mag point blank range. Google it and do some research on it. He has definitively proven knockdown power to be a myth...no debate.

Granted, I'm not aware of any body armor that can stop a 50cal and I can't attest to the accuracy of the video, but that man has proven that a 44mag won't put him on his butt.

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Here's some more info on the 'Taliban Sniper' video :

.50 cal Barrett M82A Sniper Rifle with explosive tipped Rufus rounds

Didn't do a search yet to find out if these rounds exist - any info ?

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Well, perhaps but my Blackhawk as a little more kick than that.......I can shoot it one-handed but it'll move my whole arm.

Also, I found this.......kinda interesting - soldier falls down but I'm not sure if it's the round or a 'reaction' as being argued here.

"Body Armor"
http://www.grunt.com/downloads/bodyarmor.wmv
AIF Shooting at Snake 3 and Saber 3

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AD,
Unfortunately, I've gotta go with Prof on this one.

It's NOT humans being shot. Definately little 'furry' animals.

DEFINATELY shot at long range. BUT NOT with a fifty cal. I got this vid about three years ago and it was labeled the same way.

With a short discussion with my buddy, currently in Germany, but at the time in 'The Sand' he said that one made all the rounds at his FOB and everyone agreed. NOT A HUMAN BODY being shot. And he also agreed NOT a fifty cal.

Sorry bud.

But it's still pretty spectacular none the less.



This last one is AT LEAST a thirty cal. Could be a fifty, but the rpm's sound way too high for a fifty. BUT, note NOTHING flys into the air. Well, OK, the hood of the larger truck kinda 'flys off' but that's about it.

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Damn prairie dogs.........had me goin' there too for a while......crapola

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Could the sniper be using a HE round?

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Sorry, but that video is of someone shooting Marmots:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmot

It is constantly put forward as being of sniper action in Afghanistan, which is of course totally false.

Here's what happens when someone stationary is shot with a high calibre:

(Viewer discretion advised. This video contains death):

http://www.viperalley.com/gallery/up..._wanna_be_.wmv

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Not sure how many here have seen the show, Mythbusters, but just a week or two ago there was an episode where they covered this very subject. They rigged up a pig (closest thing that can really get to a human cadaver) on a rack so that it would fall of with the very slightest touch/push, and then shot several different rounds at it (can't remember all of them, but .223, .308, .44mag, 9mm, .357mag I think were all done). At one point that had three guys firing full auto at the pig at the same time. The only thing that even got it to fall off the rack was 00 buck from a 12 gauge (or was it a slug? again, can't remember), and it didn't fly back at all... just barely fell off the rack. Since the rounds were mostly going right through the pig, all that energy passes right through, so they repeated with a bulletproof vest on the pig, to get basically the same results. Actually, I think it was then that the shotty finally barely knocked the pig off the rack, not until after the vest was on, stopping the rounds, letting them transfer their energy to the pig rather than through it.

Of course they mentioned that pesky Newton's third law, like in the video posted earlier in this thread.

And regarding that video of the Barrett 50 cal... my goodness I can't stand that narrator/host. I think that show is called Future Weapons. I just can't take his whispering, let me tell you a secret tone through the ENTIRE thing. Then he says the .308 is what AK-47s fire. And then he says it can take 15-20 seconds on a bolt action to open bolt, load round into chamber, and close bolt. :smokin: Ah well, the Barrett sure seems nifty.

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That second video looks like a 30mm caliber.

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If a .17HMR can eviscerate a praire dog, why isn't it possible for a .50BMG cartridge loaded to deliver up to 20,000 joules of energy to do the same to a human? A friend of mine who was in the marines said an M2 does that if it hits a human, I believe him.

Aren't these shots from underneath the target and on the side of a mountain as well?

I wonder what sort of satisfaction people get from calling bullshit on entertaining videos, I've never really understood it.

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I don't think people are trying to rain on anyone's parade, but just to set the record straight (bust the myth? :bear_tongue:) that shooting someone, even with a good-sized caliber, isn't going to make them fly five feet backwards, like in the movies.

I like the shots at 0:43 and 4:30 in this clip from the movie "Open Range" (pretty good western, by the way :D).

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:bear_w00t: keep 'im coming.

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FID,
One buddy of mine said 20mm chain gun. Which it COULD be. But the cyclic rate of fire is definately higher than ANY 50 cal I've ever shot, and I've shot a few.

But could also be the 30mm as well. Hard to say. DEFINATELY not a weapon you want to be on the receiving end of, for sure.:shocked_ma:

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It looks like that .50 was giving her quite the spanking.

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Okay folks here is the round that did the damage. Its called a SLAP round. Its what was used to take out Hadji. The video is real not faked.

Regards,

HUB



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Section One: The Capability of the 50 Caliber Sniper Rifle

"The advantages are obvious when you consider that many of the same targets of rocket and mortar fire can be neutralized with M33 ball, API M8 or Multipurpose ammunition."
—"Heavy Firepower for Light Infantry," Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc. brochure advertising its Model 82A1 50 caliber sniper rifle15


The .50 BMG roundb fired by 50 caliber sniper rifles can knock down hovering helicopters, penetrate armored limousines, and ignite bulk fuel tanks from a distance of 10 football fields.16 The round's merits were summarized in the authoritative journal The Small Arms Review:

The fifty caliber's ability to be deployed by one individual and give that person the capability of discretely engaging a target at ranges of over one mile away are definitely alluring from a tactical standpoint. While the .50 cal sometimes seems to be exaggerated, it is hard to imagine a round that at ranges of over a mile and a half away, has more kinetic energy than a .44 Magnum, and has unbeatable penetration as well.17


Extended Range and Accuracy

Advertising, military manuals, expert writing, and civilian owner comments all demonstrate that 50 caliber sniper rifles are accurate at ranges of at least 1,000 yards, and in the hands of a trained marksman, nearly 2,000 yards. "With confirmed hits out to 1800 meters, the Barrett model 82A1 is battle proven," Barrett Firearms states in its promotional brochure.18 In fact, U.S. forces using Barrett M82A1s routinely engaged Iraqi forces out to a range of 1,600 meters (1,750 yards) during the 1991 Gulf War.19 Another manufacturer, Aurora Tactical, says that its Model 650 Special Light Anti-Materiel Rifle (SLAMR) "enables a skilled marksman to deliver exceptionally accurate fire on targets in excess of 1500 yards."20


Destructive Power

The 50 caliber sniper rifle's threat is a blend of long range and massive power. Here is Barrett's description of the power of its Model M82A1, widely available on the civilian market:

This revolutionary .50 caliber semi-automatic rifle allows sophisticated targets to be destroyed or disabled by a single soldier. Armored personnel carriers, radar dishes, communications vehicles, aircraft and area denial submunitions are all vulnerable to the quick strike capability of the Barrett 82A1. With decisive force and without the need for the manpower and expense of mortar or rocket crews, forces can engage the opposition at distances far beyond the range of small arms fire....The 82A1's light weight makes transportation as easy as walking....With night vision equipment, the weapon is even more effective under cover of darkness. The muzzle brake reduces felt recoil to no more than that of a 12 gauge shotgun....The advantages are obvious when you consider that many of the same targets for rocket and mortar fire can be neutralized with M33 ball, API M8 or Multipurpose ammunition.21

An excerpt from the U.S. Army's manual on urban combat emphasizes the 50 caliber sniper rifle's ability to destroy materiel targets:

These heavy sniper rifles were originally intended as anti materiel weapons for stand-off attack against high-value targets, such as radar control vans, missiles, parked aircraft, and bulk fuel and ammunition storage sites....It is their ability to shoot through all but the heaviest shielding material, and their devastating effects, that make them valuable psychological weapons.22


50 Caliber Ammunition Available on U.S. Civilian Market

Although originally designed for heavy military use, all types of 50 caliber ammunition are readily available to civilians in the United States—and thus easily available to foreign and domestic terrorists. This, of course, is wholly aside from the fact that military ammunition stocks also can be procured from underground sources.

Arms and ammunition—including such destructive items as M-16 assault rifles, machine guns, TNT, dynamite, plastic explosives, land mines, and hand grenades—are regularly stolen from U.S. military armories.23 Fifty caliber sniper rifles have proliferated in military forces around the world, and 50 caliber ammunition is made in more than 30 countries. Those foreign forces, including some that are less than friendly to the United States, have stocks of military ammunition that are available to any terrorist with the right connections. Arms and ammunition are also stolen from these foreign forces, friend and foe alike, sometimes on a staggering scale.24

The 50 caliber sniper rifle's performance is substantially enhanced by the use of ammunition specially designed to destroy hard targets—ammunition that makes the rifles what expert Mark V. Lonsdale calls "a cost effective way to engage the enemy's high-tech equipment, light skinned vehicles and aircraft, especially when compared to the cost of hitting the same targets with rocket or mortar fire."25 This ammunition includes armor-piercing, incendiary, and explosive rounds specifically designed to attack targets similar to the bulk tanks, pipes, and other materiel in and around the typical refinery or other chemical industrial site.

Armor-piercing and incendiary ammunition. The U.S. Army says that the basic 50 caliber armor-piercing round is designed for use "against armored aircraft and lightly armored vehicles, concrete shelters, and other bullet-resisting targets."26 The armor-piercing effect is achieved by the bullet's design, which wraps a hardened core of a substance like manganese-molybdenum steel with a softer metal jacket.27 Incendiary ammunition is self-descriptive, used for "incendiary effect, especially against aircraft."28 In other words, it sets things like airplanes, fuel, and other combustible materials on fire.c Tracer ammunition, familiar to the public from scenes of night combat, leaves a visible trail of incendiary light. Variant rounds combine armor-piercing, incendiary, and tracer effects.29

Saboted Light Armor Penetrator (SLAP) Ammunition. Designers of anti-armor ammunition have long used the idea of replacing a given caliber gun's projectile with a projectile of smaller diameter but more dense material. In order to seat the smaller projectile in the larger ammunition case, and to gain the necessary spin from the gun's rifled barrel, the projectile is wrapped in a "sabot" or "shoe." The shoe rides the length of the gun's barrel, then drops away from the projectile when it exits the barrel. The much higher velocity of a "saboted" round enhances its armor-piercing performance.

The U.S. Marine Corps developed 50 caliber SLAP ammunition in the 1980s, and it was used in 1991 during the Gulf War's Operation Desert Storm. It uses a .30 inch heavy metal (tungsten) penetrator in a plastic shoe, which is .50 inch in diameter. "Since the mass of the saboted penetrator is much lighter in weight than normal ball .50 caliber ammunition, SLAP's velocity can be significantly and safely increased," according to the Marine Corps. "This produces a very fast round with a very flat trajectory which enhances hit probability...and extends the light armor capability...significantly."30

According to Winchester, the civilian contractor that developed the 50 caliber SLAP round, it delivers "superior and proven performance against lightly armored vehicles and armoured attack helicopters at ranges up to 1500 meters."31

A round that has "proven performance" against an armored attack helicopter at 1,600 yards is a clear threat to American industrial sites in the hands of any terrorist group that, like al Qaeda, has acquired the means to deliver it in the form of the 50 caliber sniper rifle.

Raufoss Multipurpose (armor-piercing, explosive, incendiary) Ammunition. The crown jewel of 50 caliber sniper rifle ammunition is the Raufoss multi-purpose round, developed by a Norwegian company and manufactured under license by several companies, including Winchester. Said by experts to be the most popular round with U.S. military snipers,32 it was used to devastating effect by U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War.

Designated the MK211 by the U.S. military, the round combines armor-piercing, explosive, and incendiary effects and uses a "highly effective pyrotechnically initiated fuze...[that] delays detonation of the main projectile charge until after initial target penetration—moving projectile fragmentation and damage effect inside the target for maximum anti-personnel and fire start effect."33 According to its developer, Nordic Ammunition Company (NAMMO), the round can be used in "sniper rifles similar to [the] Barrett M82A1," has "the equivalent firing power of a 20 mm projectile to include such targets as helicopters, aircrafts [sic], light armour vehicles, ships and light fortifications," and can ignite JP4 and JP8 military jet fuel.34

According to the Marine Corps, the Barrett "M82A1A...fires the .50-caliber RAUFOSS ammunition, which contains a tungsten penetrator and a more powerful explosive charge than the API ammunition...it has penetrated an inch of steel at 2000 yards."35 Jane's International Defense Review estimates that the round is "probably capable of disabling a man wearing body armor who is standing behind the wall of a house at 2,000m.... (and) can perforate the foundation of a high-rise building (20cm reinforced concrete) at 400m."36 Reasonable persons probably would agree that blasting through 20 centimeters (7.87 inches) of reinforced concrete from four football field's distance is an impressive performance.


ILLUSTRATION ONE: 50 CALIBER ARMOR-PIERCING, INCENDIARY, AND EXPLOSIVE AMMUNITION ENHANCES THE THREAT

Fifty caliber sniper rifles are in essence ammunition-delivery systems. Armor-piercing, incendiary, and explosive ammunition is readily available on the U.S. domestic civilian market. The first illustration below shows construction of one type of 50 caliber round. The second figure below illustrates how another, the RAUFOSS round, first penetrates armor, then explodes inside its target. The VPC has documented apparent domestic civilian sales of RAUFOSS over the Internet.

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These rounds would produce what was seen.

I say genuine .... :smokin:

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Let's try this again:

Who lives in Afghanistan?

Afghanistanis.

Who are Canadians?

Invaders.

WHO are the terrorists?

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It's from an Apache. You can tell because of the "TADS" designation up there in the upper left hand corner. That means that the chaingun is wired into the pilot's helmet. It's 30mm HE or APDS like the guy above me reckoned. You can actually see the artifacts from the helicopter blades get aliased onto the FLIR camera in the beginning of the video. Which is scary in it's own right. This gunship was hovering for a long while before smoking these guys. Didn't they hear it?

I thought originally that the first video was just a bunch of jackrabbits getting shot. I thought I could see a leg quarter go flying off. In any event too much energy to send a human torso flying 60 feet in the air.

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I believe this could be the effect of a fifty cal.

(Viewer discretion advised. This picture is graphic and contains death):

http://poetry.rotten.com/failed-miss...ed-mission.jpg

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Democracy?

If I'm dying for a word, that word's POONTANG.

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More incredible footage of elite sniper action, (includes sound-track):

Warning: Graphic and contains death.

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RichG and everyone else who believes that WAS a .50 caliber sniper round...

DUDE, look at the scale of the 'body' flying around. Given even a REALLY SHORT person, that 'body' would have had to have been lifted TEN OR MORE FEET IN THE AIR.

Bud, even high explosives don't do that. Guys who give their lives for their buddies by throwing themselves on grenades don't get thrown that high in the air.

Sorry, but this one IS NOT snipers of ANY NATION in Afghanistan.

OH, and AL QUEDA is NOT full of Afghani's. It's FULL of Saudi's and other malcontents from nations OTHER THAN AFGHANISTAN.

SO, THEY ARE THE TERRORISTS. By YOUR supposition, the US and it's ALLIES that stormed the Normandy beaches and killed all those GERMANS WERE TERRORISTS. Sorry, but no sale. You REALLY NEED TO GET A GRIP ON REALITY.

TERRORISTS DON'T COME INTO A COUNTRY, GIVE THEM WEAPONS, TRAIN THEM TO USE THE WEAPONS AND THEN SUPPORT THEM 'IN THE FIELD', which is EXACTLY what the US and our allies have done in Afghanistan. Sheesh what a freekin idiot.:confused_ma:

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Yeah, that video is fake. .50bmg can't make people fly in the air like that. One round of .45 can, especially from a 1911.

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Since some people around here appear to enjoy watching people get shot (and killed) by snipers, here is some more footage, this time, for the sake "equal time," of the defenders of their homeland -- the "other side":


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While there isn't knockdown power, there is stopping power. Dad knew a rancher who had been shot many times and he said his nervous system went into a kind of shock from the 40s that did not happen with other calibers. That he could not even reach for his gun. He was rescued by ranch hands or he would have died that time, he said. He was defenseless lying there unable to move.

Maybe not everyone experiences that kind of shock. I have read no scientific research info on it so my opinion is based on one anecdote. But a lot of people who used to get in gunfights seemed to prefer the 40s. 44, 45 mostly.

In the house we use glasers or mag safe in 38s so we don't accidentally shoot a neighbor. Those rounds, in effect, are like a caliber increase. But I'm thinking we need a different load for the glovebox, and a charter 44 special after reading excellent information here.

And I hope we never have to fire a single round. But if we do, I intend for my wife and I to be safe and our would be attackers unable to cause us any harm.

I don't think that video is really humans being blown in the air. But I doubt anyone hit with a 50 cal does any more firing.

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IF you are 'planning' for a 'car gun' you best take into account that before that round you fired FIRST has to go OUT through the side of your car. Because it's doubtful in a real panic situation you will get the chance to bring the weapon up to stick out the window.

So, better KNOW what your pistol caliber is capable of by shooting it through a car door and car GLASS (assuming the window is down) BEFORE it ever has a chance to strike an intruder.

Just food for thought.

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Thanks Wallew. Yes, that rules out glasers and mag safe for car ammo. Not wanting to go out our window and in a neighbors is why they make a good house round but lousy car round.

AUAG was saying that I would probably have to load a custom round in the 44 special to get optimal results.

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Side window glass is easy, you could punch through it. It breaks into a million little pieces when broken by design. It's the front and rear that are tough, and on modern cars they aren't so tough. A friend of mind saw a bug against his windshield and slapped it hard, cracked his windshield with a slap. That was a Ford Explorer. At the same time rocks have bounced off my windshield on my new Japanese car so it isn't like it's tissue paper either. A Glaser should break side window glass but because of the bullet's construction I wouldn't expect it to have much of an effect. The next couple rounds fired in rapid succession should do the trick though.

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brass rod turned in a lathe and handloaded, the bullet tip can be shaped to a point. brass is easily worked, a lee loader is all you need for revolver rounds. weigh the factory bullet to determine how long to make the brass projectile. the solid rounds will go thru most of the tincans on the road today.

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How about 30mm vs human

*** WARNING *** viewer discretion is advised - contains explicit violence.

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